GEMS Front Timing Chain Cover PART 1....

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Saint.V8

Dyed-in-the-wool 100% RR Junkie
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PART 1

Well, after replacing the Oil Pressure Switch it still leaked and considering it is still leaking despite my temporary attempt to stem the flow with Plumbers Mait Putty to tie me over until I could figure out where it was coming from....the Putty didn’t work or I was putting it in the wrong place!

So I sourced a S/H front cover from the bay of E for £40, 3 month warranty and etc...I will still be checking the oil pump and replacing all relevant seals and O rings etc in any case cos yer never know..!!

So to start, vehicle on ramps and disconnect the battery

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Then remove the viscous unit and fan....using Wammers method of a good sharp tap and bingo – this is the first time this method has worked for me!!

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Using a 15mm spanner on the tensioner, turn inwards to loosen the drive belt

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Then remove the Alternator Bolts and disconnect the wiring

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Next remove the tensioner assembly

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Undo the wiring heatsheild, P clip on the side and the earth strap at the bottom

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Undo the 4 bolts holding the Alternator Bracket on

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Next up, remove the water pump pulley

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Next is time to drain the coolant from the rad and water pump, remove the lower rad hose from the stat housing and the water pump (I had already replaced those stupid spring clips with decent Jubilees)

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Undo the bolts holding the water pump on, note 3 of them are longer and are 11mm head not 10mm like the others!

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Now it is time to wrestle with the Crank Pulley Bolt – or so I thought! This one undid are a couple of swift turns with my 2ft breaking bar...no need to hold the pulley using a special cranked tool...took me by surprise!

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Undo the bolt holding the Camshaft Sensor plug in place and then also undo the Camshaft Hall Sensor itself, place this carefuly out of the way...they are sodding expensive!

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Time to start getting grubby and lying under the car! Time to drain the oil and remove the sump.

Suitable container and a 19mm spanner are the order of the day here!

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Time to crack open the sump....3 nuts on the timing cover and the rest are bolts...all 11mm hex heads....leave the 4 corner bolts in place once you have cracked them off, then remove the rest completely....

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Now this is where I made a rookie mistake......I had driven up the ramps and lowered the car to access cos I thought even though I am 6’3” I will still need a step to reach over the slam panel, and I didn’t want to stretch to much while under it....BUT, you can’t get the sump out with the suspension down...so I used a 25ton top and toe jack on the front cross member to lift the vehicle up off the bumps so I could remove the sump....

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OK Sump off...

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Next up is to remove the Oil Pick Up Strainer....simple 2x 8mm head bolts at one end and a 11mm nut at the strainer end

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(Now ignore the Plumbers Putty I used as a temporary fix – that failed miserably – I used it to try and stem the leak while I was waiting for the new front cover to arrive)

7/8” Oil Pipe Unions, 2 off, one on the underside and one on the side under the Oil Pressure Switch, undo these, and do so carefully so you don’t round off the unions, Parker Pipe Spanners are great for this job but I ain’t got that kinda cash so an open 7/8” spanner used carefully will do!

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Now time to undo the Front Timing Chain Cover Bolts....and a little tap to break the seal and off she comes. It is located on dowels so don’t tap downwards...

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So covers off...time to clean it up in the spirit washer and chip off the repair putty....

Looking at it, I couldn’t see any cracks, but the pressure relief valve that sits behind the circlip and covered by the cap could be pressed in under moderate finger pressure...to me that isn’t right, so I decided to dismantle the relief valve.

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Remove the circlip while covering the cap as it is under spring pressure, mine was a bit stuck so a screwdriver up the hole by the oil filter (you should be able to see the spring) and a quick poke on the spring loosened the cap and O ring...

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Then the spring (part of the refitment is to measure the free length of the spring to ensure correct relief valve pressure setting)

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Spacer tube

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Valve (on the end of a magnetic prodder!)

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Now it is apart, I think I have found the probable cause... the relief valve cap O ring is in a poor state...totally flat, rock solid and brittle....

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Pictured with a new O Ring (19x1.5 Viton is best due to the high temps)

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Whilst this is the most likely cause of the leak, I will be fitting a S/H refurbed cover, as I am not 100% confident the original cover doesn’t have a leak/crack in it...and for £40, I may aswell change it over.

Now I have the cover off, now is a good time to replace the timing chain, for the sake of new sprockets and chain costing around £25-30 I may as well while it is apart!

Will be doing a Part 2 of this How To which covers the clean up of the mating faces, fitting the Chain and Sprockets, and refitting the cover and gaskets etc....
 
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Nice one Saint. Excellent write up.

Mine has a leak from the front somewhere that I'm finding hard to trace, I'll double check my oil pressure switch.
 
Excellent Saint, you make it look very easy. I have a small leak from front crank oil seal but have not got the bottle to attempt it. The crank bolt concerns me the most, if your ever around oxfordshire please pop in.
 
Nice one Saint. Excellent write up.

Mine has a leak from the front somewhere that I'm finding hard to trace, I'll double check my oil pressure switch.

The pressure switch seal is a common fail apparently....it is sealed with an O ring similar to the one below in the relief valve....it too can get hard and brittle, see my previous thread on changing the pressure switch.
 
Excellent Saint, you make it look very easy. I have a small leak from front crank oil seal but have not got the bottle to attempt it. The crank bolt concerns me the most, if your ever around oxfordshire please pop in.

As jobs go it was easy....in Haynes terms, 2 out of 5 spanners if you ask me.

I was worried about the crank bolt as well, but thankfully all it took was a couple swift pulls on the breaking bar against the compression of the engine and she came off, I was thinking this was going to be a fight and then I'd have to give in and make a tool to hold the pulley but no need, could even had done it with a large ratchet!

After getting the crank pulley off, I couldnt see any bolts that a tool could hold on to, but it is filled with crud, so I'll clean it out and see if they are hidden under years of dirt....if I find anything, I'll take measurements and post them incase anyone needs them make there own tool....

The how to shows it how it was...it was easier than I was expecting....had the cover off in 1.5 hours and that includes the time to take photos and find the 25ton jack!
 
Excellent Saint, you make it look very easy. I have a small leak from front crank oil seal but have not got the bottle to attempt it. The crank bolt concerns me the most, if your ever around oxfordshire please pop in.


I'm in the same boat. A little unsure to take it apart in case I can't get it together again.

Perhaps we could team up, pool resources (and tools) and have a go together!
 
The replacement cover has a similar pattern ....

remedave has just done his maybe he can confirm if his has similar ?

If it has scratched into the case it has been fouling. Not by much granted but fouling never the less. Maybe bolts over torqued crushing gasket. New gasket Hylomar and correct torque would maybe relieve it.
 
I'm in the same boat. A little unsure to take it apart in case I can't get it together again.

Perhaps we could team up, pool resources (and tools) and have a go together!

Yes, I am up for that. My RR is my daily driver so as you can not afford to muck the job up, looking at Saints How To it seems straight forward enough but it's just a confidence issue. Have been quoted over £200 pounds at local garage but he does not usually work on Rangies and was talking about removing radiator so would probably not be aware of the procedure to refill cooling system, have read to many horror stories on here where garages have cocked jobs up, not going to take the risk.:eek:
 
Yes, I am up for that. My RR is my daily driver so as you can not afford to muck the job up, looking at Saints How To it seems straight forward enough but it's just a confidence issue. Have been quoted over £200 pounds at local garage but he does not usually work on Rangies and was talking about removing radiator so would probably not be aware of the procedure to refill cooling system, have read to many horror stories on here where garages have cocked jobs up, not going to take the risk.:eek:

worst part so far would be crank bolt and viscous fan....luckily for me both came off easily.
 
worst part so far would be crank bolt and viscous fan....luckily for me both came off easily.

If you were changing front crank oil seal would you take out rad, 4.6 Thor , or just remove fan? I have a fan spanner, same as yours, and also a couple of large breaker bars but knowing my luck the bolt will be stuck solid, if you came across this situation what would you do? Thanks Paul.:confused:
 
If you were changing front crank oil seal would you take out rad, 4.6 Thor , or just remove fan? I have a fan spanner, same as yours, and also a couple of large breaker bars but knowing my luck the bolt will be stuck solid, if you came across this situation what would you do? Thanks Paul.:confused:

I shouldn't think there is any need to remove the rad...the Official procedure is to fit a tool (basically it allows the seal to slide over the crank shaft and seat into the front cover) to the crank shaft when refitting the front seal, never seen this tool so I don't know how long it is or if you could get it onto the crankshaft end with the rad in place...but from what I have read, it is not necessary to use this tool as long as when you fit the seal you keep it square and straight.

If your were to withdraw the camshaft then yes rad comes out...but you can fit the new front cover seal without having to remove the front cover...it is just a bit more fiddly to keep the new seal square on refitment.

As for the crank bolt being solid and no special tool...I have seen peeps drop the sump and using a block of wood (has to be wood as it is softer) wedge the crank from turning (pic attached). Never used this method and as long as you are careful it should be OK, but there could be a very remote chance of cracking the crankcase...but it is rather remote!

I will clean up my Crank Pulley and measure the holes and sketch out the PCD and sizes etc in case others want to fabricate there own Crank Pulley holding tool similar to the LR tool.
 

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