I want it all!!!!!!!! But following shake down trip, have had a bit of a change of heart about original plan to buy canvas Howling Moon 2.4m x 2.4m roof tent: There will be 4 of us travelling long-haul but weight (98kg without rrack and bodies). But, we don't plan to spend ALL our time in tent and want to bring bikes (x4) on one 110 CSW and now don't want to have to compromise against weight/space of this huge/heavy tent. We enjoyed the roominess of the ground tent on shake down trip - much better for children when pitching for a reasonable length of time. Realise this will not always be possible and may safe quick pitch without the hassle. Now deciding to retain ground tent but get a cheaper roof tent (1.4 size'ish) - this way we have some flex to use either (plus room for any friends/family/visitors along our route) - plus lighter weight, cheaper and mayb more readily available on the market 2nd hand. Thinking about buying Tugamufu's option of cheap roof tent (Prime Tech) for circa £240 plus P&P from eBay and be done with it, looks tempting, else 2nd hand something as it comes up on eBay. Not going to worry about the brand/manufacture/make so much now - more interested in set-up speed and weight plus, we are planning to follow the sun therefore rainproofing would come from Ground Tent or a guesthouse if any real issues. Now think would be madness to spend circa £2K+ with new roof rack to accommodate - outrageous amount of money which we have now easily already spent on off-roading course, security grilles, window tint, high back trakker seats, fridge etc. etc. This way we have compromise, something inexpensive and lightweight which we can use in combination with ground tent. (However - did see a LR in town recently with Howling Moon roof tent - it did look mean and hot !!!!)