Realistic fuel consumption?

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Richard Wilkinson

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Hi,

I have a 1996 Disco I which will pull around 450 miles on a full tank of
Diesel (around 22/23mpg). When I bought the car a few months ago, the
garage told me that I should expect 34ish to the gallon. Is there something
wrong with my engine, or was the garage being a little over optimistic for
these series of engines (300tdi)?

It smokes a little when cold, but once warm there is no smoke whatsoever.

Thanks!


 
Richard Wilkinson wrote:

|| Hi,
||
|| I have a 1996 Disco I which will pull around 450 miles on a full
|| tank of Diesel (around 22/23mpg). When I bought the car a few
|| months ago, the garage told me that I should expect 34ish to the
|| gallon. Is there something wrong with my engine, or was the garage
|| being a little over optimistic for these series of engines (300tdi)?
||
|| It smokes a little when cold, but once warm there is no smoke
|| whatsoever.
||
|| Thanks!

If it's an auto, then that is exactly what I got from mine - 22.9 mpg over
all types of driving. I would expect a little more from a manual - around
25-ish, although people's experiences seem to differ. If he told you 34,
he's pulling your plonker. I have heard of people getting 32-33ish, but
they are usually 200Tdi manuals, on long runs and the like. I doubt if
there is anything wrong with your engine.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 
Using this, http://www.torquecars.co.uk/Tuning/uk-mpg-calculator.php 450
miles to a disco tank (90L?) is about right - 22.7mpg

For you to get 34mpg at 450 miles, you would need to use about 60L of fuel.
Thats 2/3's of a tank. No Way!

Sales man well optomistic!

"Richard Wilkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 1996 Disco I which will pull around 450 miles on a full tank of
> Diesel (around 22/23mpg). When I bought the car a few months ago, the
> garage told me that I should expect 34ish to the gallon. Is there

something
> wrong with my engine, or was the garage being a little over optimistic for
> these series of engines (300tdi)?
>
> It smokes a little when cold, but once warm there is no smoke whatsoever.
>
> Thanks!
>
>



 

"Richard Wilkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 1996 Disco I which will pull around 450 miles on a full tank of
> Diesel (around 22/23mpg). When I bought the car a few months ago, the
> garage told me that I should expect 34ish to the gallon. Is there
> something wrong with my engine, or was the garage being a little over
> optimistic for these series of engines (300tdi)?
>
> It smokes a little when cold, but once warm there is no smoke whatsoever.
>
> Thanks!
>


On my 96 disco 300tdi i get between 28 - 32 mpg. over the winter is when it
drops to 28. i do drive conservatively and try to keep to 50 mph on average,
60-65 on motorway.

paul.


 
Thats about all I get as well. to be honest I could almost get a V8 to
return about the same!!!


"Richard Wilkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I have a 1996 Disco I which will pull around 450 miles on a full tank of
> Diesel (around 22/23mpg). When I bought the car a few months ago, the
> garage told me that I should expect 34ish to the gallon. Is there

something
> wrong with my engine, or was the garage being a little over optimistic for
> these series of engines (300tdi)?
>
> It smokes a little when cold, but once warm there is no smoke whatsoever.
>
> Thanks!
>
>



 
On or around Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:15:16 +0100, "Richard Wilkinson"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Hi,
>
>I have a 1996 Disco I which will pull around 450 miles on a full tank of
>Diesel (around 22/23mpg). When I bought the car a few months ago, the
>garage told me that I should expect 34ish to the gallon. Is there something
>wrong with my engine, or was the garage being a little over optimistic for
>these series of engines (300tdi)?
>


On the low side for a manual, if that's what it is. we get about 28-30 on
average, except if you hammer down the motorway at 90, or tow a big trailer.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
On or around Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:50:32 GMT, "Vince"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Thats about all I get as well. to be honest I could almost get a V8 to
>return about the same!!!
>


says he... I never got more than about 18 from the 3.5 V8 disco, although a
gently driven 3.9 can sneak over 20.

a lot of TDis are not really very well tuned. Ours was significantly better
after fettling it - more power and more economy, can't be bad. Oh, and the
non-cat pipe helps too.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
Richard Wilkinson wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have a 1996 Disco I which will pull around 450 miles on a full tank of
>Diesel (around 22/23mpg). When I bought the car a few months ago, the
>garage told me that I should expect 34ish to the gallon. Is there something
>wrong with my engine, or was the garage being a little over optimistic for
>these series of engines (300tdi)?
>
>It smokes a little when cold, but once warm there is no smoke whatsoever.
>
>Thanks!

Hi iv got an auto rangie 300 25mpg is tops

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Hi,

I have a Disco 2.5TDI XS 300 series Auto. I was getting 18 mpg around town
and noticed that the air filter was absolutely filthy, I changed it. On a
round trip of 600 miles over three days that has now gone upto 28 m.p.g.
You might push it up to 30 with a K&N Filter and a Hi Clyclone. Around town
I am hitting 24 m.p.g.

On a 200TDI 110 CSW I got 34 m.p.g over 4771 in three weeks but that was
averaging 45 miles per hour doing 300 miles per day.

Andy


"jason-h via CarKB.com" <u20410@uwe> wrote in message
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> Richard Wilkinson wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have a 1996 Disco I which will pull around 450 miles on a full tank of
>>Diesel (around 22/23mpg). When I bought the car a few months ago, the
>>garage told me that I should expect 34ish to the gallon. Is there
>>something
>>wrong with my engine, or was the garage being a little over optimistic for
>>these series of engines (300tdi)?
>>
>>It smokes a little when cold, but once warm there is no smoke whatsoever.
>>
>>Thanks!

> Hi iv got an auto rangie 300 25mpg is tops
>
> --
> Message posted via CarKB.com
> http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/land-rover/200604/1



 
There we are - 18 is not THAT far away from 24mpg - the TD5 auto discovery I
had for a while was only doing 20mpg - maybe it's the way I drive.


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:50:32 GMT, "Vince"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Thats about all I get as well. to be honest I could almost get a V8 to
> >return about the same!!!
> >

>
> says he... I never got more than about 18 from the 3.5 V8 disco, although

a
> gently driven 3.9 can sneak over 20.
>
> a lot of TDis are not really very well tuned. Ours was significantly

better
> after fettling it - more power and more economy, can't be bad. Oh, and

the
> non-cat pipe helps too.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
> drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
> flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)



 
On or around Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:27:22 GMT, "Vince"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>There we are - 18 is not THAT far away from 24mpg - the TD5 auto discovery I
>had for a while was only doing 20mpg - maybe it's the way I drive.


yeah, but 24 for a manual disco TDi in normal use is low, you should get at
least 28, really more than that. The TD5 is noted for being a bit more
thirsty.

Likesay, in ordinary non-hammering use ours is returning over 30.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell"
Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military
Academy, 19 June 1879.
 
Ill try changing the air filter, it looks a bit grubby and clogged.

Is there anything else i can do to "tune" the engine? (without going over
the top and modding the engine)

Thanks!

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:27:22 GMT, "Vince"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>There we are - 18 is not THAT far away from 24mpg - the TD5 auto discovery
>>I
>>had for a while was only doing 20mpg - maybe it's the way I drive.

>
> yeah, but 24 for a manual disco TDi in normal use is low, you should get
> at
> least 28, really more than that. The TD5 is noted for being a bit more
> thirsty.
>
> Likesay, in ordinary non-hammering use ours is returning over 30.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell"
> Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military
> Academy, 19 June 1879.



 
On or around Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:52:28 +0100, "Richard Wilkinson"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Ill try changing the air filter, it looks a bit grubby and clogged.
>
>Is there anything else i can do to "tune" the engine? (without going over
>the top and modding the engine)


Apart from the air filter...

hmmm. I saved this lot somewhere... aha:

==================================================================
disclaimer: If anything you do following reading this breaks your engine,
don't come crying to me. You do this type of stuff at your own risk.

First service the engine, including air filter, diesel filter and valve
clearances.

Then check that when you put the pedal to the floor it does actually open
the pump to the stop - the cable can be slack, if so, take up the slack in
the cable, till there's just a little bit of free play with the throttle
pedal released, to make sure it goes back to idle properly.

Next check the free-revving speed: make sure the engine's thoroughly warm
and has plenty of oil; as per the MOT smoke test, which is basically what
you're doing. Floor the throttle, wait for the engine speed to stabilise
(takes about 2-3 seconds), note the RPM and release the throttle. You need
a rev counter for this, which is no problem on the disco. It should do
about 4500 rpm. You can set it to just under 5000 without apparently
harming things; though of course you don't rev it that hard in normal use.
Do this by moving the maximum speed stop on the pump, which is the stop
which the pump lever hits when it's "open". Move it a little at a time and
check the revs you're getting. Note that it has a seal on it, you'll have
to remove that. If that bothers you, leave it alone.

Having done that, instruct an assistant in the technique of doing the revs
thing, and watch the exhaust (or put a mirror up so you can see the exhaust,
I guess - if the exhaust comes out sideways you can see the exhaust in the
driving mirror. Rev the engine as before, let it idle for a few seconds,
then repeat, and look for smoke. If there's a lot of black smoke, it's
running too much fuel; if there's no obvious smoke it can be turned up. The
fuelling adjuster is on the "back" end of the pump, i.e. the opposite end to
the pulley. The adjuster comes out parallel with the fuel outlet pipes,
above them and towards the off side of the vehicle. It has a 13mm locknut,
and a threaded rod which protrudes, the end of the rod has a 6mm hex on it.
There will be some kind of seal on the adjuster, which may hide the locknut.
slacken the locknut and then turn the adjuster in by no more than 1/4 turn,
re-tighten the locknut and look for smoke as before. You're aiming for a
situation where there's a slight amount of black smoke as the engine is
accelerating, but no obvious smoke once it's up to revs. If you get a lot
of smoke, you've gone too far, so back it off a bit. The adjustment is
quite sensitive, a quarter turn is usually enough.

If you have a friendly MOT garage, you can do the last phase with the aid of
the smoke checker for MOTs, and make sure you've got it nicely below the MOT
threshold; otherwise, you may fail the test. In the event of it being
slightly too smoky on test, the best bet is to back the maximum speed off to
the book value of 4500, which will probably solve it - if it doesn't, then
you've over-done it on the fuelling adjustment anyway.

The point about adjusting the maximum speed is not to allow it to rev very
fast on the road - it improves the mid-range performance at full throttle,
by allowing the pump to "open" slightly more. Some people will tell you
this doesn't happen, but I go with what I've experienced.


Having done these things, It should be going OK. If it still lacks power,
then you need to consider whether there's anything else wrong with it. One
thing that can affect power is a dirty intercooler. The intercooler can get
partly blocked inside with nasty oily stuff. If you don't seem to get much
power when it should be "on boost" (i.e. over about 2000 rpm) then this is
worth checking. The same symptoms can be had from low boost pressure, but
this is one thing you do need the right gear, i.e. a pressure gauge and
adaptor, to check.


On some TDis, there is an EGR valve. This can stick open, causing exhaust
gas to enter the inlet manifold when it shouldn't be. Personally, I blocked
it off on the one we run.


A final point is pump timing. On the one we have, I recently replaced the
timing belt and took good care to get the timing aligned as per the book.
This engine has always felt rather "flat" in initial acceleration.
Experience on petrol engines led me to wonder if it was a bit retarded, so I
tried advancing the pump timing a bit. You'll want the various kinds of
timing pins to do this. If you're not happy messing with the pump timing,
then get someone who knows what they're about to do it for you. I advanced
ours by something around 6 degrees (didn't measure it, natch) and it now
seems to pick up more briskly. Don't overdo it.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
 
My Defender was rebuilt using the running gear and 300TD1 engine from a
Disco ten years ago. The black smoke on start up is normal, so only worry
if you don't get it. My consumption hovers just below thirty, 27-29 MPG,
but I've also noticed that it doesn't vary when I'm fully laden with
roofboxes etc, although I suspect this has more to do with the lack of
aerodynamics of the original vehicle.
Cheers, John


 

Thanks for that Austin.

Our 1991 Disco 200TDi manual averages about 30 mpg. It seems the auto
versions are lot thirstier. Pushing them too hard also makes a lot of
difference. Ours is 'cruised' gently and that's not so slow either, more
or less keeping to the speed limits seems to give reasonable economy.

By the way, she's for sale;

144,000 miles only, Gold, 5 doors, 7 seats everything in good order
except central locking now changed to manual locking.

New MOT last week

£1,650 ono.

Vehicle located at
--
John Lubran

Moving Vision Ltd
Newbridge-on-Wye
Powys
LD1 6LH

Tel. 01597 860 575
Fax. 01597 860 655
Mobile 07721 429 181


 
My Disco L reg 300tdi Auto, if i fill the tank and drive it until the low
petrol light comes on it gives me without fail between 500 to 525 miles i
have checked the speedo with the gps and this is correct, i am not
particularly easy going with the right foot either.
GGJ


 
Gary G Jones wrote:
> My Disco L reg 300tdi Auto, if i fill the tank and drive it until the
> low petrol light comes on it gives me without fail between 500 to 525
> miles i have checked the speedo with the gps and this is correct, i
> am not particularly easy going with the right foot either.
> GGJ


Interesting, you're running this TDi on Petrol?

--
If Your specification is vague or imprecise, you'll likely get what you
asked for not what you wanted!

He who says it cannot be done would be wise not to interrupt her doing
it.


 
i get between 25 and 30 mpg in my manual 200tdi.
the rr classic v8 was very thirsty. never got anywhere near 20mpg. 12 more like. i sold that pretty damn quick.
ive heard of some 300tdi,s getting 34 mpg but i dont know anyone personally who gets it.
 


> Interesting, you're running this TDi on Petrol?
>
> --


good point, should have said fuel light :eek:)

GGJ


 
Gary G Jones wrote:
>> Interesting, you're running this TDi on Petrol?
>>
>> --

>
> good point, should have said fuel light :eek:)
>
> GGJ


Not really, I'm just a sad picky bastard!

--
If Your specification is vague or imprecise, you'll likely get what you
asked for not what you wanted!

He who says it cannot be done would be wise not to interrupt her doing
it.


 
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