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gstuart

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hi

already got oem oil in my jatco so don't want to mix it with anything else ,as i can only get max of 4 litres out

may I ask what prices for atf 402 oil have u been paying please

see the Land Rover oem oil is £14.17 per litre , gulp

other oils I've found are

Fuchs Titan ATF 4400
£8.52 per litre

ravenol ATF jf506e
£10.95 per litre

but will of course stick with the oem one, bit expensive but at least it will be the most suitable oil ,

fingers crossed may stop the slipping

was just out of curiosity in what you guys are paying plse



thks again
 
Can't comment on prices but I wouldn't, object to either of those cheaper oils being used as top up or replacement , if they meet the spec they will be of sufficient quality
 
my only thought is would it cause damage if I mixed the other oils with the one already in there

difficult as all companies claim there oil is the best

didn't realise the carlube one is so cheap compared to others, could therefore flush a lot of oil out but don't know the best way to do it

is it the case of leaving the drain plug out, engine running and then filling it up as it comes out the level plug till it runs clear, ??

but if I had the engine running and draining at the same time would that do damage to the torque converter

as if I just refil it as normal the new oil will just mix with the old and in effect would only be half an oil change

have any of u done a full flush to get the old oil out plse
 
gstuart said:
had a look at carlube and doesn't quote an oil to use

Tetrosyl Carlubeune 2013
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I'm using logic Gary. Car lube ATF-U is a full synthetic Dexron 11 or 111 compatible fluid. Nissan use this the same box, in fact Jatco are a subsidiary of Nissan. The Jatco in a Nissan uses a synthetic D111 fluid so why would the Jatco in the Freelander be any different? Answer, it isn't. I used ATF-U in my V6 without an issue or hint of one. The changes were smooth as silk compared to the old 35 K miles fluid I took out.
There's nothing special about Texaco N402. By today's standards, it's old hat. You won't damage the transmission using fluid better than the manufacturer's specifications.
 
Nodge68 said:
I'm using logic Gary. Car lube ATF-U is a full synthetic Dexron 11 or 111 compatible fluid. Nissan use this the same box, in fact Jatco are a subsidiary of Nissan. The Jatco in a Nissan uses a synthetic D111 fluid so why would the Jatco in the Freelander be any different? Answer, it isn't. I used ATF-U in my V6 without an issue or hint of one. The changes were smooth as silk compared to the old 35 K miles fluid I took out.
There's nothing special about Texaco N402. By today's standards, it's old hat. You won't damage the transmission using fluid better than the manufacturer's specifications.
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thks for that and do indeed see ur point

I've spent the afternoon doing some good reading

my thoughts are because the box is slipping I don't want to put an expensive oil in just in case I've got to do some work on the gearbox and end up having to drain the oil out again, which would be like throwing money down the drain

agree that oils have indeed moved on

didn't realise they were fitted to so many different cars , with them all quoting different oils, lol

they say there built different so need there own oils, what madness is that , only thing I can think of that's different is maybe the gear ratios ???

actually also spoke to a jatco specialst and they said the millers is very good and not necessary to buy the more expensive oil

is half the price than Land Rover want at nearly £15 quid a litre and millers is about £6.40 per litre and got the same spec as the Land Rover one or texaco

a lot of it a rip of like many things

found this out when I went to buy some ign parts for my old series landy , found the same oem part for half the price and just wasn't in a landy box but the exact same part , think it was Lucas ??

will be a 50/50 chance of it fixing the slipping gearbox and will certainly let u know how i get on

plus at least i will have some spare oil for the power steering , lol, as I dread to think if that's ever been changed, done everything else , if I remember there's a drain plug on the steering rack ??
 
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There's nothing to say the LRN402 is still the priginal. They probably updated this many years ago or over time as oil technology got betterer. Historically in the US there were websites with lots of Freelander Jatco info on but they have long since dissapeared as the US had high failure rates of engines and auto's. They US didn't use LRN402 as there's 1 perticular (or 2) chemicals in it which they don't allow to import. Hence using other stuff.

What people buy is normally down to what they can get their hands on. There are alternatives but it would be nice if they put this on the bottle and their web sites.
 
gstuart said:
thks for that and do indeed see ur point

I've spent the afternoon doing some good reading

my thoughts are because the box is slipping I don't want to put an expensive oil in just in case I've got to do some work on the gearbox and end up having to drain the oil out again, which would be like throwing money down the drain

agree that oils have indeed moved on

didn't realise they were fitted to so many different cars , with them all quoting different oils, lol

they say there built different so need there own oils, what madness is that , only thing I can think of that's different is maybe the gear ratios ???

actually also spoke to a jatco specialst and they said the millers is very good and not necessary to buy the more expensive oil

is half the price than Land Rover want at nearly £15 quid a litre and millers is about £6.40 per litre and got the same spec as the Land Rover one or texaco

a lot of it a rip of like many things

found this out when I went to buy some ign parts for my old series landy , found the same oem part for half the price and just wasn't in a landy box but the exact same part , think it was Lucas ??

will be a 50/50 chance of it fixing the slipping gearbox and will certainly let u know how i get on

plus at least i will have some spare oil for the power steering , lol, as I dread to think if that's ever been changed, done everything else , if I remember there's a drain plug on the steering rack ??
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Hi Gary. I've just checked the Carlube ATF-U bottle for its specs. It clearly says it's compatible with Texaco N402 which is, or was in the LR bottles at much higher cost.

Here's a picture of the back of the ATF-U bottle.
 

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Nodge68 said:
Hi Gary. I've just checked the Carlube ATF-U bottle for its specs. It clearly says it's compatible with Texaco N402 which is, or was in the LR bottles at much higher cost.

Here's a picture of the back of the ATF-U bottle.
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thks mate

drives me nuts in how things can't be just simple, with all the different companies quoting different oils for the same box, lol

thks again for that, most appreciated
 
Hippo said:
There's nothing to say the LRN402 is still the priginal. They probably updated this many years ago or over time as oil technology got betterer. Historically in the US there were websites with lots of Freelander Jatco info on but they have long since dissapeared as the US had high failure rates of engines and auto's. They US didn't use LRN402 as there's 1 perticular (or 2) chemicals in it which they don't allow to import. Hence using other stuff.

What people buy is normally down to what they can get their hands on. There are alternatives but it would be nice if they put this on the bottle and their web sites.
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would be nice if u got straight answers from the manufacturers ,ie for this box u can use this or this

simples , lol
 
gstuart said:
would be nice if u got straight answers from the manufacturers ,ie for this box u can use this or this

simples , lol
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Years ago the US sites were fantastic for finding out stuff. They had dextron stuff in their FL1 Jatco's due to import rules banning LRN402 due to it's content. They had a lot of Jatco failures but the dextron they had may be different to the version currently on the market. They had black oil instead of our LRN402 red. They soon spotted this and realised something was different but it was too late. I don't know why it caused issues but it seems there's several oils that can be used now. In those days the LRN402 in the FL1 Jatco was said to be different to that of the Jag Jatco but I don't know how or why. Different blend for some reason. I think it was linked to running temp. But newer oils have wider running temps these days. It's a shame all of those sites disappeared some years ago. They were full of info and were the original source for the rave disk. It was as if they had inside knowledge at LR. :eek: Some say it's just and auto and any oil... but auto's are expensive when requiring a fix.

If you go into a shop and ask they will tell you what's on the shelf is ok. Doesn't matter what it is. I've tried this to see the response. A big risk with no come back. I know of one FL1 Jatco discussed privately which had ird oil put in it. This is wrong, hence: NEVER PUT IRD OIL IN YOUR FL1 JATCO. The owner was devastated but had no come back on the shop.
 
Can the next person to use carlube aft-u take a pic of the oil to see it's colour before use, and describe it's smell. Reason for asking is to have a comparison for later on if it changes due to faults like going brown when bands/clutch wear. Ta.
 
Hippo said:
Can the next person to use carlube aft-u take a pic of the oil to see it's colour before use, and describe it's smell. Reason for asking is to have a comparison for later on if it changes due to faults like going brown when bands/clutch wear. Ta.
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to be honest I will most proberly going to go for the carlube stuff , £26.99 per 4.55 litre

know millers said its ok , but wish to stick with the approved oils , n402

as its on the approved oil list,

first job though is to do the ohms solonoid test then go from there

if I do get some will certainally take a pic for u and post it up on here
 
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Hippo said:
Can the next person to use carlube aft-u take a pic of the oil to see it's colour before use, and describe it's smell. Reason for asking is to have a comparison for later on if it changes due to faults like going brown when bands/clutch wear. Ta.
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Carlube ATF-U is red when new. After a single change it was slightly darker, but obviously it was mixed with old fluid. The next change 10K miles later resulted in nice red fluid, still darker than new fluid, but that is normal. After 20K miles, it's still red and sweet smelling. Personally I'm more than happy to use ATF-U, I've even put it in my Discovery 3 power steering, which also specified an expensive LR fluid.
 
gstuart said:
to be honest I will most proberly going to go for the carlube stuff , £26.99 per 4.55 litre

know millers said its ok , but wish to stick with the approved oils , n402

as its on the approved oil list,

first job though is to do the ohms solonoid test then go from there

if I do get some will certainally take a pic for u and post it up on here
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You will be fine with ATF-U Gary ;)
ATF-U far exceeds the original specifications for N402. It's good stuff and at a sensible price too.
 
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